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  • NoProp: Training neural networks without back-propagation or forward-propagation

    Posted: 2025-04-14 00:03:51

    NoProp introduces a novel method for training neural networks that eliminates both backpropagation and forward propagation. Instead of relying on gradient-based updates, it uses a direct feedback mechanism based on a layer's contribution to the network's output error. This contribution is estimated by randomly perturbing the layer's output and observing the resulting change in the loss function. These perturbations and loss changes are used to directly adjust the layer's weights without explicitly calculating gradients. This approach simplifies the training process and potentially opens up new possibilities for hardware acceleration and network architectures.

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    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43676837

    Hacker News users discuss the implications of NoProp, questioning its practicality and scalability. Several commenters express skepticism about its performance on complex tasks compared to backpropagation, particularly regarding computational cost and the "hyperparameter hell" it might introduce. Some highlight the potential for NoProp to enable training on analog hardware and its theoretical interest, while others point to similarities with other direct feedback alignment methods. The biological plausibility of NoProp also sparks debate, with some arguing that it offers a more realistic model of learning in biological systems than backpropagation. Overall, there's cautious optimism tempered by concerns about the method's actual effectiveness and the need for further research.